navaudio replied to your post: finally saw the Hobbit…
You mean younger audience, right? I figure that an older audience would prefer more character development and fewer fight scenes…
No. The book was originally meant for children. Only…
Popping in a tiny bit, since the Hobbit is one of my all time fave books and I really enjoyed the movie.
I love the book, I really do. And thanks to it being such a limited POV from Bilbo’s perspective, I’ve got to say the movie actually DOES introduce a lot more character development for the dwarves than the book ever did. Thorin is more fleshed out than any of the others, and he’s really just presented as a bit of an asshole who ends up being not so bad in the end. The others? You know Fili and Kili are the youngest and Bombur is the fat one and that is seriously all you ever really know about the dwarves. They’re total ciphers. So, coming from that, I was really pleasantly surprised at how they managed to make them all memorable to me with quirks and different personalities.
So it’s interesting to me that you didn’t see that and found the character development lacking.
Hrm. Well, I can’t say I share the same adoration for the book, seeing as how I read it as a wee lass and don’t remember much detail.
But yes, I do understand this. I remember not being able to keep up with the dwarves at all in the book so having a visual reference in the movie was helpful - but I guess I’m very alone in the fact that I found the fight scenes to be boring, tedious and dragged out and just wanted to see more… characters…or uh… explanation?? I admit, we get a good Bilbo and Thorin, but the movie was clearly aimed at those familiar with the book and the Lord of the Rings series. Unlike the avengers where one may just pop in and truly appreciate all the characters and the storyline just for what they are, for one not having any knowledge of the world…..it was just kinda one big what even was that? Who are these people - ok theyer elves - what about the dude at the beginning was that the old elf I thought they didnt age that fast who are these peeps??
So, yes. I’m speaking from a point of view as someone who really doesn’t remember the book well, and didnt fancy the LotR series enough to pay too much attention….(I blame Frodo) and big books quite scarred me as a child and still do. I can quite see how a fan of the world and the characters would enjoy it much more though. So I am very glad you liked it.
Despite the lack in the book though, I just really wanted - NEEDED some sort of connection to these other characters…besides Bilbo and Thorin….even Gandolf was unimpressive to me…
However, I know I should handle this movie differently, because it is a series movie. I’m sure they plan to flush everything out more as they go alone, which is why with movies like this I cant just take one and take it seriously i need to see them all in a row and make my judgement.
(But I am still under the opinion that even a series movie should hold its ground individually. Such as Narnia and the Golden compass…though they never continued those…well fuck, everything I like it seems no one else really does so dont take my opinions to heart they are quite not looked well upon generally….)
I loved the Golden Compass (ok I haven’t actually read the entire His Dark Materials, but yeah the first book is amazing and God, I just love the names like Lyra). It’s really upsetting that the series isn’t being continued with more movies. The first one was great. Very accurate to the book-but it’s a complete different thing then LotR. Phillip Pullman presents great depth in the back stories and development of the characters.
Actually, you might be glad to know that Narnia is being continued http://www.narniaweb.com/2012/05/gresham-shares-plans-for-next-narnia-film/ ,the only thing that’s holding the series back is creative ownership issues. But Narnia wasn’t meant to be a full on series like LotR, only the first 2 really are. The rest are short stories about characters from the world of Narnia so they don’t actually have to be read in chronological order. The main characters from The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (Peter, Susan and Edmund) pop up later in the series but are more in the background.
I’ve never read The Hobbit or LotR, but thought the movies were amazing. But then again, I’m a huge fan of epic stories (stories that go on forever and go over the worlds in great detail). It’s a really long movie (2:45) so unless you’ve read the book or have a super long attention span for those types of movies I doubt you’d really enjoy it. The rest of the series will probably be like the first movie. All the LotR movies were VERY similar and I agree with you, there’s not really that much character development going on (EVER-well ok there’s Bilbo and in LotR, Sam, Merry, and Pippin (two silly cute hobbits) grew a lot, they’re my fave next to Smeagol).
Frodo was such an ass-and so was Bilbo. They are (in my opinion) the worst protagonists. Frodo was such a douche with all these anger management problems (he was like Emma Watson’s portrayal of Hermione in HP 3-7, overly depressed and annoying). He has really no redeeming qualities. In The Fellowship of the Rings, when he finally had the chance to destroy that sucker-he didn’t. If it weren’t for Smeagol, he would STILL have the ring.
The fighting scenes in The Hobbit weren’t very epic…and unless Kili and Fili were in danger, I really didn’t care. And it does have a lot to do with reason.
In the Avengers, they were fighting to save AMERICA from evil Norse creatures and it’s just “they have to win for FREEDOM!”. The symbolism for all the heroes were pretty straightforward which allowed for good understanding of the characters, and they all had unique easily to differentiate personalities. And we can get all this in the first 20-30 minutes of the movie, so we cared about the characters when they were fighting.
A lot of the characters in The Hobbit, even though they were unique from each other, weren’t that unique. So Thorin has a thing against Elves because they didn’t help him when he needed him. Moody but in a not-like-able way. Fili and Kili are like Merry and Pippin, which means they’re cool. Gandalf is this old wise wizard that disappears and re-appears in the movie whenever he feels like it (and he’s got good humor). And yeah, who are the other dwarves? It’s hard to care about them.
Your opinions are awesome and you know what? If you see the entire series and still don’t like it, that’s ok. Why do you have to like it? It’s not everyone’s cup of tea.